tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-39814412408096008352024-03-13T10:55:20.045-07:00Reluctant ChristianMy lifelong journey back and forth across the divide between atheism and theism, and why I can't seem to make up my mind and stay on one sideAunt Chrissyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08231210385677179258noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3981441240809600835.post-25319529247133158182008-04-25T18:51:00.000-07:002008-04-28T17:17:17.224-07:00The Decision!OK, I've made a decision (finally!) - I'm starting a new blog, combining the best* elements of my other blogs!<br /><br />If you've been loyal enough to bookmark this page, please change your bookmark to:<br /><br /><a href="http://curvycatholic.blogspot.com/">http://curvycatholic.blogspot.com/</a><br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Thank you</span> and goodbye!<br /><br />*yes, yes, I know that's a debatable point - let's just say the best elements I'm capable of!Aunt Chrissyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08231210385677179258noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3981441240809600835.post-8497813319468642352008-04-11T09:37:00.000-07:002008-04-11T09:38:12.758-07:00Reluctant Christian considers deleting blog! Action required!(deep breath) I just deleted TWO BLOGS.<br /><br />(another deep breath) Yes, it was painful but it had to be done.<br /><br />I once overheard an employee at Iliad Books in North Hollywood, CA confide to another guy that they had so many books there it felt like he had a "whole lot of poopy in his colon". I was kind of getting that way with my blogs.<br /><br />The more blogs you have, the more guilt you feel when you don't keep them up. So I'm afraid, friends and neighbors, that I may wind up deleting this one too.<br /><br />My idea is I'll just settle on ONE blog and put everything in it - no matter what the subject - rather than creating an unending succession of guilt-inducing blogs that rarely get updated.<br /><br />As of now I only have two active blogs - this one, and <a href="http://goodspots.blogspot.com/">this one</a>. I'm going to put a similar version of this post over there, and see which one gets the most traffic/comments by this time next week. And the one that doesn't make the cut - gets cut.<br /><br />Let the games ... BEGIN!!!Aunt Chrissyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08231210385677179258noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3981441240809600835.post-85090735370934562242008-02-13T15:24:00.000-08:002008-02-13T15:32:38.785-08:00One of the reasons for the "Reluctant" in my blog titleOne of the reasons I style myself a "reluctant" Christian is admirably delineated in this Peter Hitchen article: the almost pathological necessity among Christians to denounce and denigrate other Christians.<br /><br />It makes one wonder - even if it were possible to reconcile all the various theologies, would Christians really WANT to be reunited? Who would they have to persecute then?<br /><br />I went to an Ash Wednesday Mass last week and when I came back from communion and tried to reclaim my seat, I found to my surprise that a woman who'd come in late had taken it. When I tried to explain that I'd been sitting there since the beginning of Mass, she actually grabbed my shoulders and shoved me out of the way! (My mother says it sounds like she made an "ash" of herself!).<br /><br />And okay, sure, that doesn't necessarily prove anything about Christians in general, except in a way it does. Christians are expected to be forgiving, so if you treat another Christian with contempt, you've got a good chance of getting away with it, if the other Christian is even halfway trying to practice that virtue.<br /><br />You know how some conservatives are saying that if John McCain is the Republican candidate, they'll have to hold their noses to vote for him? Sometimes I have to hold my nose to be a Christian.Aunt Chrissyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08231210385677179258noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3981441240809600835.post-45771540047949326572007-12-05T12:09:00.000-08:002007-12-05T12:22:24.344-08:00I'm not exactly the world's greatest blogger, am I?It's not that I don't want to.<br /><br />I mean, I want to have a really great, thought-provoking blog that people check every day to see what my latest scintillating thoughts are.<br /><br />And I really DO want to finish up my fascinating story of how I returned from atheism to Christianity.<br /><br />OK, so here we go - long story, short: I remained an atheist for about a year. During that time, I became a moderator (under the username "windsofchange") at the Internet Infidels Discussion Board (IIDB).<br /><br />Meantime, I continued going to church every Sunday with Steve, but I didn't pray or do anything else other than that. I guess you'd have to say I was a hypocrite. But I didn't mean to be. I just didn't know what else to do.<br /><br />See, this has happened to me before. Twice in my life, to be exact. And each time I'd lost my faith completely, I stopped going to church or having anything to do with religion at all. And each time, after several YEARS went by, my faith snuck back.<br /><br />So, I thought, this time maybe I'll just wait and see. I won't make any major life decisions (or get rid of any books, like I'd done the last couple of times - hey, restocking your bookshelves every time you change your worldview can get expensive!) for at least one year. Then, if I am still convinced that there's no God, I'll do what I need to do.<br /><br />Then, one day, I just woke up and found that my faith was back.<br /><br />I know that sounds simplistic, and I don't really know how to explain it. But ...<br /><br />Imagine a dry well that you've abandoned because you were sure the spring underneath it had dried up, but one morning you were out on a walk and, on a whim, you lowered a bucket, and it came up full of fresh, clear water - and you realized the spring hadn't dried up after all. Perhaps it had just been dormant, and while you ignored the well, it just quietly filled up all over again.<br /><br />My theory is that it's a good thing for a Christian - or any believer - to take a break from time to time. Chuck it all and live without "religion" for a while, and see if it works for you. Because I think there's a tendency to start taking our beliefs for granted, letting our prayers become rote and stale, and getting smug (we believers are so much better than nonbelievers, aren't we?). So it's good to throw all that off from time to time, and start from scratch.<br /><br />Just don't forget to lower the bucket into the well every once in a while. Because you never know. ;-)Aunt Chrissyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08231210385677179258noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3981441240809600835.post-29090578119743244102007-11-05T11:44:00.000-08:002007-11-05T11:45:25.198-08:00And now for something completely different!Thought I’d interrupt my explanation of my journey into/out of/into/out of/into Christianity for a moment and tell you something that might be a little uplifting. I’ll get back into the neverending story later.<br /><br />It’s one of those depressingly foggy days that strikes Southern California every so often, especially in autumn and winter. As I was slogging into work and dragging myself up the hill to my office, I was feeling pretty gloomy, but then I remembered a similar day a few years ago.<br /><br />I had been so depressed on that day that I called in sick, got back in my car and started driving aimlessly around the city. Everywhere I went it was grey, foggy and grim. Finally I wound up in La Canada Flintridge (a community near Pasadena) and turned onto the Angeles Crest Highway going north. I thought maybe it wouldn’t be so gloomy up there, since there’s lots of trees, and maybe I’d find a coffee shop or someplace with hot chocolate or something.<br /><br />Well, I drove and drove and drove and no coffee shop, but the road wound up and up and up and UP and all of a sudden – bam! No, I didn’t hit another car – I went through the topmost layer of clouds and there was the sun and the blue sky I’d been craving all day!<br /><br />It was wonderful, it was beautiful, and it was just what I needed to see. And from that day on, I always remember that no matter how grey and gloomy and depressing it is down here, if you just get up high enough, the sun is always shining. So don’t give up – just keep going.<br /><br />And now that I’ve thoroughly Pollyanna-ized this blog, I’ll get back to my regular story – next time!Aunt Chrissyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08231210385677179258noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3981441240809600835.post-51021527811727754272007-10-25T09:33:00.001-07:002007-10-25T09:45:48.595-07:00God answers my prayer, after I'd already ditched himOur story so far: I'd begged God to turn Steve P.'s heart towards me and ask me to marry him. Though he (Steve) seemed interested, he said not a word about marriage, and seemed reluctant to even consider it. I got tired of asking God for help and decided there probably wasn't even a "god" out there hearing me. So I stopped praying, stopped going to Church except on Sundays (mainly so as not to hurt the feelings of the nice people at my church, just yet anyway), and rejoined the Internet Infidels. I even became a moderator! Life was good.<br /><br />And then, Steve and I went to Kansas City for my grandpa's birthday party. We stayed in the same hotel room (sexy!) just down the hall from where my parents were staying (not so sexy!). And the night before the party, when I'd given up all hope of any kind of long-term relationship with him and had decided we should just have a fun "fling" and remain friends - <br /><br />He proposed.<br /><br />And I accepted.<br /><br />And then I realized - to my discomfort - that this was *exactly* what I'd asked God to make happen, and son of a gun, he'd done it.<br /><br />So now what? I couldn't just make myself start believing in God again. Belief isn't like that - as I patiently try to tell both theists and atheists, when they attack people on the "other side". You either believe or you don't. I personally think it has a lot to do with what's going on in your life, what books you're currently reading, and what you had for dinner last night.<br /><br />So right now, I had an upcoming wedding going on in my life - a good thing, and definitely pointing me back towards theism (in my opinion anyway).<br /><br />But - I was still reading books from the atheist point of view. I read all the big bestsellers - Christopher Hitchens' "God is Not Great", Richard Dawkins' "The God Delusion" - and of course, as a moderator at IIDB, I was daily exposed to the arguments - some of them pretty compelling - in favor of atheism and agnosticism. So that still pointed me in the direction of atheism.<br /><br />As for what I had for dinner, well, since I knew that after I was married I wouldn't be able to enjoy pigging out on junk food in the evenings while watching "American Idol", I threw myself into that with a renewed enthusiasm. That pointed me towards indigestion and obesity, but I didn't really care. As long as I could fit into my wedding dress (and I could! and I looked gorgeous!), I was going to enjoy being single till the bitter end.<br /><br />Well, to make a long story short, I got married to Steve P. in April of 2007. From the time he proposed till about a month ago, I was still leaning heavily (in more ways than one!) towards atheism, or at least agnosticism. I continued attending church with him on Sundays, but wasn't praying or actively believing in God AT ALL. I felt like a hypocrite sometimes, but I was okay with it. I figured I'd work it all out eventually.<br /><br />And about a month ago, I worked it out.<br /><br />Next: How I worked it out!Aunt Chrissyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08231210385677179258noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3981441240809600835.post-887411144705624442007-10-01T16:54:00.001-07:002007-10-01T16:58:02.221-07:00My Big MistakeOK, as promised, here’s the big mistake I made – <br /><br />See, I was doing pretty good in the ol’ religion department, going to daily Mass, praying the Rosary, etc., etc. -- all good stuff, or at least it seemed so to me.<br /><br />But then I started going to the Eastern Catholic Church to flirt with Steve P (see previous post) and contracted a big case of Cognitive Dissonance, based on the fact that he and everyone on this Eastern Catholic bulletin board kept saying things like, “The Romans do this, but <strong>we</strong> do <strong>this</strong>” -- with the not-so-subtle implication that everything after the “<strong>but</strong>” was better.<br /><br />Of course, if you pinned them down, most of them would insist they didn’t mean it that way, but heck, it’s okay even if they did. It’s their heritage, their custom, their thing. That’s cool. The problem for me was that after a lifetime of being told that <strong>kneeling</strong> in front of the Eucharist was the numero uno best way to honor Jesus – <strong>based on the authority of the Catholic Church </strong>– all of a sudden I’m being told that <strong>standing</strong> in front of the Eucharist is <strong>also</strong> the numero uno best way to honor Jesus – <strong>based on the very same authority</strong> (because these guys & gals are Catholics too)!<br /><br />Whew! So I'm already getting a little discombobulated! But I could have hung in there - gotten some spiritual counseling, found my own way, etc. Except – I <strong>also</strong> started getting really, really discouraged by the fact that my prayers about Steve P. did not seem to be getting answered.<br /><br />In fact, they seemed to be getting ignored. And as anyone who’s ever seen “Fatal Attraction” knows, it is never a good idea for anyone – even a Supreme Being – to ignore a single woman of a certain age!<br /><br />So after months and months of being ignored, I decided – <strong>it was all a crock!</strong> There was no God, no heaven, the Church was a bunch of cattle malarkey and I didn’t need it!<br /><br />So somewhere deep inside me I (or the little person who lives inside my brain and is responsible for these little jobs) reached over and flipped the switch from “Theist” to “Atheist”. And away I went!<br /><br />I was pretty relieved to have realized the whole thing was a big scam. To help advance my deconversion, I (re)joined a great site called Internet Infidels (where I’d been a member a few years ago, under the charming names of both “Atheist Gal” and “Theist Gal”, during my previous de/reconversions).<br /><br />I was doing great there. I even became a moderator (the powah! heh heh!).<br /><br />Then – something completely and totally unexpected happened – something which really shook my steady deconversion process all to hell (so to speak).<br /><br /><em>Next time: Out of a clear blue sky</em>!Aunt Chrissyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08231210385677179258noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3981441240809600835.post-86238255483601243092007-09-24T12:49:00.001-07:002007-10-14T06:52:06.841-07:00Flirting with the East, and with Steve P.I returned to Christianity and Catholicism in 2002, after a few months of wrestling (sorta like now) with my rationality. At that time I attended a wonderful little church in downtown Los Angeles called <a href="http://www.angelfire.com/ca5/atheistgal/ourlady.html">“Our Lady Chapel”</a>. Alas, in the wake of the construction of the new Cathedral (or as it’s fondly referred to by Angelenos, the “Rog Majal”, and with the retirement of Father Kolling, the only pastor willing to put in 70-hour weeks to keep the Chapel going, it was closed.<br /><br />So I had to look for another church. My criteria were few: it had to be Catholic and it had to be SMALL (like the Chapel). Unfortunately, the Rog Majal and other area churches didn’t really fit the latter requirement.<br /><br />However, in addition to looking for a church, I was also looking for a guy. And I found one, on Match.com. His name was Steve K., and he attended a “Byzantine Catholic” church in Anaheim.<br /><br />“What’s a ‘Byzantine Catholic’ church?” I asked. He offered to take me to one. So on our very first date, we met at a little church in Sherman Oaks called St. Mary’s Byzantine Catholic Church.<br /><br />(Yes, that’s right, we went to church on a blind date. Hmm.)<br /><br />It was pretty, it was interesting, and what was more to the point, while we were sitting on the patio chatting, an absolutely GORGEOUS guy came walking out of what I later found was the Parish Hall, came over, introduced himself to us as Steve P., and told us all about the church, its history and its beliefs.<br /><br />And before any of us realized what was going on, Steve K. had been completely, totally and forever eclipsed by Steve P.<br /><br />Poor Steve K. We continued our date after bidding goodbye to Steve P. – went up the street and had lunch at Denny’s – but I think we both knew it was over. How does the moon compete with the sun?<br /><br />After that, I returned to St. Mary’s by myself, partly because I was interested in the church and partly because I was hoping to run into Steve P. again. He wasn’t there, but I sat inside the church for a little while and liked it. It was small, and according to the literature in the back, it was fully in union with the Catholic Church.<br /><br />So that Sunday I attended Mass there – and learned, among other things, that in the Eastern Rite Churches, you don’t say “Mass”, you say “LITURGY”! Well, ‘scuse me while I kiss this guy! (hee hee)<br /><br />Long story short, Steve P. and I continued kinda sorta flirting with each other every week, and I continued attending St. Mary’s in hopes of having the opportunity to throw myself at him.<br /><br />But something kinda sorta funny happened. You see, the Eastern Catholic Church is certainly Catholic. However, the practices – the devotions as well as the liturgy – are very different from what I learned to call the “Roman” Catholic Church. (I’d always just said “Catholic” before – now I was self-conscious about it.)<br /><br />I learned that standing, not kneeling, was the preferred posture here. That the Eucharist was received at the end of a long golden spoon, and looked and tasted very different from the unleavened white wafer I was used to. That while you might still say the Rosary in private, it was considered a “Latinization”, as were statues, holy water, and all the Catholic – excuse me, Roman Catholic – paraphernalia I’d grown up with and taken for granted.<br /><br />And bless their hearts, I don’t think they intended this to happen, but the more I heard Eastern Catholics say, “Well, the Romans do this, but WE do THIS,” I started experiencing “cognitive dissonance” – and was no longer really confident in the devotions and rituals that had been integral parts of my faith.<br /><br />So – I stopped praying the Rosary, stopped kneeling in Church (even though we did have kneelers, up till the recent renovations), stopped making visits to sit in front of the Tabernacle (I wasn’t even sure where it *was* – it was on the altar somewhere, but not front and center, or even front and side, as in the Roman churches), and perhaps most importantly, stopped going to Confession on a regular basis.<br /><br />Because what I was hearing was that there were two ways of being Catholic, and I couldn’t deal with it. And after a while, I kind of gave up.<br /><br />And then, just a few months before Steve P. proposed, I allowed myself to do something really stupid.<br /><br />Next: <a href="http://reluctantxtian.blogspot.com/2007/10/my-big-mistake.html">My Big Mistake</a>Aunt Chrissyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08231210385677179258noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3981441240809600835.post-81333864533067446692007-09-19T12:57:00.000-07:002007-10-14T06:47:32.463-07:00Feet firmly planted in quicksandAbout the Catholic Church:<br /><br /><strong>I HATE IT!</strong><br /><br />Oh, and also:<br /><br /><strong>I LOVE IT!</strong><br /><br />Well, whether I love it or hate it, it’s a part of me that just won’t go away.<br /><br />And believe me, I’ve tried! I’ve stopped going to Mass, stopped receiving the Sacraments, stopped praying, stopped believing in everything it teaches (well, except for stuff like not murdering – I’ve never murdered anyone. That I know of).<br /><br />But it’s <strong>still there</strong>!<br /><br />And now I think maybe I shouldn't try to "make it go away" anymore. Maybe it's such an intrinsic part of me that taking it away completely would take away a part of myself*. And I kinda like myself, so I'd hate to do that.<br /><br />I’ve been back and forth, from atheism to Catholicism and back to atheism. There’s really no middle ground for me – it’s either one or the other.<br /><br />Oh, I do have a few “way stations” that I recognize, letting me know I’m on the move again. For example, when I’m in my “atheist phase” and my reading matter turns to the supernatural (ghost stories, time travel, etc.), it’s a sure sign that somewhere deep inside, I’m hungerin’ for that Eucharistic banquet in the sky.<br /><br />And when I’m in my full-blown no-holds-barred “Say It Out Loud I’m Roman Catholic and Proud!” phase, I know I’m in trouble when I start rereading my Andrew Greeley novels and window shopping at The Pleasure Chest.<br /><br />But I never linger very long at those way stations. I've never really been seriously into the New Age stuff (though I do think there's something to the more serious paranormal studies). I've tried Wicca, Buddhism, Unity, Unitarianism, and other forms of New Age/Christian syncretism, and they're all interesting in their own unique way - but none of them are "me" in the same way that Catholicism is.<br /><br />And it has to be traditional Catholicism. I don't mean the SSPX, OK? Not that traditional! But try as I might, I can't stand liberal Catholicism for very long either. I mean, it's OK (and Father Greeley is a helluva writer), but let's face it - their liturgies stink!.<br /><br />So it's Catholic or nothing for me. There just doesn’t seem to be any middle ground, which kinda worries me sometimes.<br /><br />One bright spot, though (at least I think it’s a bright spot) – I don’t THINK I’m one of those obnoxious fundamentalists (either atheist or theist) who insists that “my way is the <strong>only</strong> way”. I try not to be, anyway. Especially since I know how capricious those “winds of change” are in my own life.<br /><br />How can I possibly stand in judgment of anyone else when I’m not even sure where I’m standing right now?<br /><br /><em>(*of course, that's the same philosophy that keeps me from losing weight. ;-) )</em><br /><br />Next: <a href="http://reluctantxtian.blogspot.com/2007/09/flirting-with-east-and-with-steve-p.html">Flirting with the East, and with Steve P.</a>Aunt Chrissyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08231210385677179258noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3981441240809600835.post-57022717178667132902007-09-18T17:04:00.000-07:002007-10-14T06:46:29.392-07:00Is it curtains for my atheism?I felt the need to create this blog because, quite honestly, I don’t think anyone will read it.<br /><br />Let me rephrase that, so as not to sound too cynical.<br /><br />I KNOW no one will read it. There, that’s better!<br /><br />Anyway, I’m on (self-imposed) leave from IIDB where I have served as a moderator for several months now. I’ve enjoyed my time there and the people are great. But I may not be able to stay there much longer, even after my exile ends. Or if I do, I’ll just moderate and post in the “fun” sections (like the Lounge) and not in the “upper fora”.<br /><br />Mainly because I feel myself slip-slidin’ towards Christianity again (specifically Catholicism), and folks at IIDB don’t take too kindly to that sorta thing.<br /><br />But it’s not really something I have a lot of control over. Oh wait, let me rephrase that. I *do* have control over it, in the sense that it’s the end result of the books I’ve been reading during the last several months. I’ve been reading about EVPs and reincarnation, not the silly New Age stuff I was never attracted to (Shirley Maclaine? great actress, should stick to that), but sensible, rational people who have had experiences they can’t explain.<br /><br />And I do think there is “something out there”, and once I start believing in the possibility of ANYTHING supernatural, it’s not that hard to believe in the supernatural religion I’m so thoroughly indoctrinated in – Catholicism.*<br /><br />Now I myself have never experienced anything even remotely supernatural. The closest I came was when I was in college and I lit some candles in front of my window on All Hallows Eve, then went for a walk in the commons, then looked back towards my window and saw that I’d set the curtains on fire. It was supposed to set my SOUL on fire, but didn’t quite work.<br /><br />But – I have read a few books lately which made me wonder. So as I said, once I start wondering, it’s like a switch inside my brain gets flipped – from “atheist” to “theist” – and it’s just a matter of time before I go back to confession.<br /><br />More on that next time.<br /><br />(* Not that there’s anything wrong with that, per se – it’s a lovely faith and there is much to say in favor of it. But I do have some problems with it, which I’ll get to in a later entry.)<br /><br />Next: <a href="http://reluctantxtian.blogspot.com/2007/09/feet-firmly-planted-in-quicksand.html">Feet firmly planted in quicksand</a>Aunt Chrissyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08231210385677179258noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3981441240809600835.post-75642752837570522822007-09-16T18:06:00.000-07:002007-10-14T06:45:37.743-07:00Dragged back kicking and screamingThis is my new blog, to discuss the reasons why I may move from my reluctant atheism even more reluctantly back into theism, and perhaps even Christianity.<br /><br />To give you some background, I was born and raised a Roman Catholic. I've deconverted and reconverted several times in my life. The last two times I made the mistake of proclaming my newfound beliefs - or lack thereof - on the Internet.<br /><br />So all my prior proud statements that I'd finally Found the Truth are waiting out there to bite me on the ass.<br /><br />During my most recent period of sort-of-atheism I even managed to become a moderator on an atheist website's discussion forums! They're good people there for the most part, but I've decided to take a break so I can think about these things without worrying, "What will "Biff the Sarcastic" say about my leanings towards theism?"<br /><br />I think I tend to worry too much about what other people will think. That's pretty much the history of my conversions/reconversions/deconversions - I'm afraid to just say what I think and damn the torpedos or guilt trips that ensue.<br /><br />And lest anyone think I'm attacking atheists, I'm not - there are definitely theist versions of Biff the Sarcastic out there, who salivate at the slightest hint of perceived heresy. I've provided a lot of raw meat for the Biffs out there!<br /><br />And here I go again - just letting it all hang out, here on the Internet for everyone to read. Though given the low hit count on my other blogs, I'm not too worried.<br /><br />Next: <a href="http://reluctantxtian.blogspot.com/2007/09/is-it-curtains-for-my-atheism.html">Is it curtains for my atheism?</a>Aunt Chrissyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08231210385677179258noreply@blogger.com0